tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10407988.post4406125408457849558..comments2023-08-05T21:48:58.831-04:00Comments on Philochristos: RE: God is Impossible: A Final ProofSam Harperhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15884738370893218595noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10407988.post-66977005290222856192018-01-26T08:24:32.901-05:002018-01-26T08:24:32.901-05:00Hello. I am in 7th grade and am taking logic this ...Hello. I am in 7th grade and am taking logic this year with the best teacher that any school could offer. I would like to point out that All S are P and No S are P statements contradict each other, making her correct. The statements which you said were contradictory actually fell under the category of sub-contrariety. Laying that aside, I have another argument to present. If God is impossible, and therefore creation is impossible, then obviously the earth and everything in the universe was not created. If the universe was not created, it could not have come into being except if it had been since infinity. If nothing can be created, then everything would have been since infinity. Using this assumption, nothing could have changed since infinity, making the Theory of Evolution incorrect, the only other 'theory' on how life was created. Creation is the very meaning of change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10407988.post-3090464165555500102016-10-23T09:50:49.985-04:002016-10-23T09:50:49.985-04:00Yes. The example of her if then syllogism you firs...Yes. The example of her if then syllogism you first post has no value and isn't valid as you argue. There's no debate in regards to it.Vernnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10407988.post-82583830412095573282016-10-03T20:52:49.022-04:002016-10-03T20:52:49.022-04:00Oh Vernon.Oh Vernon.Sam Harperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15884738370893218595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10407988.post-34049589802834305972016-10-03T18:43:30.217-04:002016-10-03T18:43:30.217-04:00You apparently haven't went beyond any freshma...You apparently haven't went beyond any freshman logic classes because you make a typical error. Modus ponens has a specific use that only applies to acknowledged truths After all modus ponens means to affirm through affirming. By definition the subject matter can only be acknowledge truths. <br />Your so called valid syllogism is nothing more than a personal opinion fallacy. It's useless. What a waste of conversation, typical atheist ignorance. You don't even know Aristotle's basis for devising and using modus ponens as a logical proof.IcanFartLOUDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01962782746296178626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10407988.post-57194464097866932722011-11-07T15:11:34.045-04:002011-11-07T15:11:34.045-04:00Identity is a universal logical necessity. Without...Identity is a universal logical necessity. Without identity no assertion is possible for we could never individuate between any two things, thoughts, or words; and no statement could ever be affirmed or denied. The Christian contention is that God is identity and this is the Biblical claim of God Himself (Exodus 3:14). Jesus also claims Himself to be this very same identity (John 8:58). Now God The Father is Himself identity (reflexive) and between Himself and God The Son is equality (symmetrical). Between God, The Spirit of God, and God The Father is also equality. These three equalities are transitivity. This is the Christian Trinitarian God. This is what the logical formalism of the 19th century has discovered. The logical principles which arise from the nature of God are irreplaceable, universal, and necessary to all human thought of existence. Man is the image of God and as such his mind reflects the nature of God (Genesis 1:27). Man can not think apart from these laws. They are the constitution of his mind qua mind. To express these relations within God in other terms we have "(A=A)" and "(B<A)(C<B)<CA". The Bible likewise identifies Jesus as Logic itself and as the rationality of all human minds; and of course He also necessarily is the rationality of those minds who would deny Him, for apart from Him they could not deny Him (John 1:9). This is why the Bible says that a fool thinks that there is no God (Psalm 14:). It is indeed foolish to use logic to deny logic. Now, since no necessary logical principle is the conclusion of any argument, these principles can never be proven. These are the basis of all argument not the conclusion of any particular argument. God can never be proved or disproved because He is the necessary cause of all human thought. You may deny that God is reason but the Bible denies your denial and clearly asserts at least this much of God; that he is reason. Therefore, if you hope to disprove The Christian God you must deny that, according to the Biblical formulation, He could ever be the very principles of reason or you must deny reason itself which is eternal, necessary, and undeniable.bobbygthomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08302077653942738401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10407988.post-69035854111268875402011-11-07T13:28:22.906-04:002011-11-07T13:28:22.906-04:00What does logical necessity have to do with materi...What does logical necessity have to do with material implication? I missed something. If my house is empty and I get something for you from inside it? Really?bobbygthomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08302077653942738401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10407988.post-3572024900240065612011-09-03T11:39:37.294-04:002011-09-03T11:39:37.294-04:00I agree. Yay!I agree. Yay!Psiomniachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01102719882200943549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10407988.post-32966904035481004652011-09-03T11:25:23.630-04:002011-09-03T11:25:23.630-04:00I agree, Psiomniac. If being a creator is a neces...I agree, Psiomniac. If being a creator is a <i>necessary</i> attribute of God, and if creation is impossible, then it's impossible for any god to <i>be</i> a creator. So it's impossible for any <i>creator</i> gods to exist. But in the Christian worldview, God did not have to create, so creation is not a <i>necessary</i> condition for calling him "God." If it turned out that creation was impossible, that would prove that Christianity was false, but it wouldn't prove that there were no gods.Sam Harperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15884738370893218595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10407988.post-24209102282050431542011-09-03T10:54:10.386-04:002011-09-03T10:54:10.386-04:00I agree with your main objections to the argument....I agree with your main objections to the argument. however, I think it is reasonable to say that if people use the term 'god' to refer to an agent in such a way that the predicate 'creator' is a necessary condition for calling the agent 'god', then if it were shown that creation is impossible, there is a sense in which 'god' does not exist.Psiomniachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01102719882200943549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10407988.post-9627649292713308142011-08-18T13:01:17.076-04:002011-08-18T13:01:17.076-04:00Wow, great analysis, Sam!Wow, great analysis, Sam!Mike Westfallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06944727980772754938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10407988.post-89374822141394591462011-08-18T12:14:16.431-04:002011-08-18T12:14:16.431-04:00This is great, Sam!
I just want to say something...This is great, Sam! <br /><br />I just want to say something about the question of whether or not Muslims and Christians worship the same God. I think I would have to say that it's not possible that Muslims and Christians worship the same God—not necessarily because of the "God" part of that claim, but because of the "worship" part. If you're actively teaching against core truths about who God is and what He's done, and if all your works for Him are not coupled with true faith in His character and actions (particularly on the cross), then I could not call that real worship. You are doing <i>something</i> towards the God of the universe, but whatever it is, it's not in truth and it's not in faith, and your unforgiven sin and corruption still has you in a place of enmity against God—a receiver of His wrath. There is no mediator who makes it possible for you to stand before God. They simply are not engaging in real worship.<br /><br />I would say the same for people who claim to be Christians and yet reject core truths about God (like Trinitarianism) and the cross (like those who would deny Jesus paid for our sins and was resurrected).Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16607018303027683829noreply@blogger.com